Blair Witch Project actor Michael C. Williams talks about shooting the film, what it was like to go from furniture mover to movie star to furniture mover in less than two years and the never before told story of the mysterious hat.
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We go from the biggest independent film to the “worst.”
Then writer/director Glenn Berggoetz who’s latest film called “Worst Movie Ever” took in a whopping $11. He’s an indie filmmaker who mastered the art of shooting an entire film for under $2,000. Watch the trailer for his tribute to terrible films everywhere.
You probably remember Moviefone named the Blair Witch Project Project the number one viral movie campaign. In fact that movie launched a thousand web sites. One of the stars of the movies with us Michael Williams It's not just an actor but one of the guys who played the sound guy that kicked them out. One of my closest friends from school. Mike Williams thank you for being here. I'm not sure what this guy is talking about I've never heard. How are you. Absolute pleasure to be here. Yes this is to the good friend of mine one of my best friends from our Super Bowl days. Yes. I remember them. I mean it's a remarkable story because this movie was not supposed to do any business at all right. No it wasn't it was actually rated by my family as the biggest waste of time I could have possibly done. When I showed them 20 minutes of footage at Thanksgiving 1997 when I've been working on a live setting out talking about the like oh great we have that big near us know that a curtain and sisters and my girlfriend who's now my wife and we all sit down watching this 20 minutes of this weird footage and they're just like. All right. Is it time for pumpkin pie. Yes. How did this hadn't been put together at all and strung together it made no sense to them and they didn't know what they were watching it. You know they were right it was pretty much it looked like this lousy footage of a bunch of people yelling each other in the woods. So even at that point I thought yeah you're not getting it you're not Can't wait to put this thing together. Everything will be what ever when we're shooting it I thought it's pretty cool. Do some pretty different here. You know he's obviously we real or something you just have to show friends. I thought it would be at best. In fact I thought it had a good chance of being some underground cult. You know VHS tape that would go around you know from teenager to teenager or a college kid to college kid. And we get some you know some cool underground success you know not not on like the band at the time underground you know that kind of scene but that's about it. That be the best case scenario. We got remember we got into Sundance thinking this today like this is the pinnacle of success. So I'm going to see we're not going to get distribution or anything. Little bit I didn't really know what that word at the time but I certainly didn't think it was getting any further than a film festival. You know I was excited to get it to Sunday. I find out about it. Well there was there was an open casting call in Backstage magazine in New York where I was living in Astoria Queens at the time. I'd been there for actually only a few months just moved in from Westchester after graduating Newport and working for a year staying at home saving some money down the queen and I got to be one of the first open call that went on. So I got pretty lucky in that regard. And when I was helping call that said I had said independent film you know to be shot in a location improvisational feature film and then I get to this audition there are signs all over saying you know if are scared of the dark and you're scared to camp and you're not an outdoors person this is not for you. And I can do it three weekends of auditioning and I just you know it had to be hundreds of people at the first week and then the next weekend there was you know tens of people and then the next weekend it was just you know maybe 10 of us left and just kept running down to you know by the droves until it became the three of us. What did you have to do for the audition. Day I got there the first thing I did was wait on line for you know an hour and a half two hours three hours. I don't know what it was. The wilds had a good half a day. Finally get in and you walk in and there's a guy sitting across the table from you and you're thinking they're going to say hey how are you. You know I'm the director of the film or I'm the casting director or whatever. And instead you sit down in the chair and go you've just served 10 years out of your 14 year prison sentence. You're up for parole for the first time. Would you like to say to the full board. So immediately you're like in improvisational mode and you don't they don't tell you that you're going to be improvidence and you get in the room. So you just better be ready to go. Which was really cool because they got weeded out a ton of people by doing that. You know people who are ready to dive in feet first or jump in feet first. That was the first part of the audition. And then you realize the character from that was that was it that was the whole first day and then the next week when I came back they had scenarios built around with different characters. You know one was supposedly took place in a diner. One is you know you've been lost in the woods for a few days and I just had it in traveling with different groups of actors throughout the day and again the week after that same type of thing just kept dwindling down people. You know people get knocked out I guess as it went. So that's basically what it was. When did you realize this movie was going to make it the biggest thing ever. I think the realization came to me that it was going to be and yet I still can't believe it was the big thing. You know I still thought no no really they should never know. There was a moment that said this thing you know go round 250 million dollars and you know in the states theatrically and four hundred nine dollars worldwide or whatever. So I don't understand how that happened but I didn't know it was going to be a success and a pretty large success. When my wife and I went down to the Angelika with a couple of people from the film and we turned the corner like the day before the film is opening and there are people in tents on the sidewalk camping out for a day literally with tents and stick men and over that these people made because they found stuff on the Internet and they were just waiting for their tickets. And that was just a strange thing to see. You know that was when I realized like there's something going on here there's something about this movie that's going to make a big splash because at that point it had only been decided that it was going to play at like the Angelika. And you know five other theaters across the country and after that weekend it was just like boom it just started hitting theaters like wildfire. That was a pretty defining moment I'd say. Did you want to tell the kids like the ending of the movie does work. I probably want to like I want to like walk up there and first I want to walk up and hear the reaction and I want to walk up and like scream you know they they had this marketing campaign which was you know at the time with Artisan Entertainment which is now defunct. They basically said to us you can't go anywhere near these theaters. We don't want anybody to see you want to play this like it's actually happening. We're not telling everybody you're dead but we don't want anybody thinking you're alive. So we were not allowed to really go. Mean I guess to say we weren't allowed to do it was just a movie one of us not to. So we played along didn't you. That's a big thing. I remember that was a big thing for you guys. I mean you're a really good actor and I've only known you as an actor and I'm just crazy. You couldn't tell anyone you are an actor right. People thought you were an amateur. That's exactly right. You know we couldn't say that we know the casting director to be like so that was pretty crazy that those guys like me in the words and then just left you there for days. You know regno actually we were acting like OK I'm not really sure I believe you. Let's do the audition to be like Man I really don't believe that I actually got cast in the film because of the way everything went down. So it was it was really kind of an odd situation. Plus we use our own names. So that made it even more hard to sell the people that we were actually acting you know and eventually they came to realize that I was an actor and I wasn't a very good one which is why I am a guidance counselor. Do you get to know your doctor just. No. I like to like to pass on my own chops and I'm into that. I don't want to get ahead. But Mike do you do like those we can get vengeance. I haven't done one in years but in fact we are doing the first one that the three of us will have ever done together and that is going to be the weekend of December 16th. And that's going to be at the Indianapolis convention center. It's called Monster Mash. So people should definitely come out to that because it's going to be screened in The Blair Witch Project for the first time ever and probably the last time. But at the time we've been trying to do something like that for years. But I did do a couple in the beginning but I haven't done one in years and years. I don't get why you don't like it. He was smart enough to have any kind of success. When I was younger I mean right now you're gone tell us about the weekend. You make 50 bucks an hour next year. I don't get going to tell your wife that you're not doing it. That's ridiculous. She's going to yell at you and you realize money on the table. Now can I'll be honest I actually a couple years ago I actually reached out to like Schiller fast and all those and I never heard back from these people so I think what it was was they just wouldn't want anything to do with us if it wasn't going to be the three of us which I get you know why. Why is Wall I'd know I'm not sure. I think in the beginning it wasn't like that because it was so successful but in their minds at this point it's old news and they want the three actors so that they can do it as something that's never happened before which is what this guy is doing. I me strong. And it seems like a good guy and it's a good idea. I'm the everybody is going to be on board with it. So you know maybe if this goes well I would do it once a year just for just for the heck of it. You know I like to do that now. Yes sure. You can tell so from autographs and make some money but it's pretty cool to hear people's stories about literally which is one of those movies where everybody will tell you where they were when they saw and what happened when they went home. Every single person and I love that. It is very different experiences like they love the movie was really cool. The whole experience to them made them have another experience the next time they went camping or when their boyfriend dropped them off and they had to walk up the driveway I mean they all remember just kind of like you was in that way the first time you went to the beach after you watch Jaws you know. And I think that pretty often that we have that. And I love to hear those types of stories. So why reunion now in Indianapolis. I was kind of ready to do it. I don't think I ever really wanted to do anything like this before but I can't speak for her so I don't really know the answer. I think I was the last one to say yes to this thing because I I thought well I've been down this road before and one of the two of the other ones won't say yes so just be a wash. And then when I said that said I wonder you know you get me out I'm pretty I like doing these things. The other two and said no I got the other two already I said sweet and I'll do it you know. So that was it. No no no mystery behind it really. You didn't know each other before the shooting. And then you had this weird shooting but with another search for the three of you became these instant celebrities. I mean do you guys have a bond together now. We do. We do. Heather and I haven't been in touch in years. You know really I think the last time I spoke to her it's got to be I don't know eight nine years ago. And I are very very good friends and there's nothing there's nothing to read between Heather and I not speaking it just that. But we're always like when we do see each other we're going to see each other since there is a bond because we did go through this experience and was like oh exciting and rewarding and amazing and also traumatic at the same time. It's like this huge event that happens in your life and you're standing next to these two people you know for two months at a time and all this stuff is going on and you're having all these same enormous emotions. You know there's so much going on. You'll always be connected in that way to No question about it. So when we do see each other there's a common bond there. Like who really went through this you know. And for her I would say for a long time it shapes who you are when something like that happens you know and you wouldn't understand it unless you went through it. But to go through that instant sort of Fame where everybody wants a piece of you and then to be kind of left out in the cold right after that happens is something that not too many people know about you know hence my severe problem with cocaine and heroin which have kicked in. Never happened never happened but I know you know last. I think my Igawa true story will be pretty boring. You yeah I could never make a movie Dagget success guy doesn't get cast bad moves furniture guy goes broke. Dad goes to get a masters guys guidance counselor guy is happy and he ended up in a nice house with two beautiful kids and a lower voice. Not a bad idea. Not a good idea. I did not drive his car off the Pacific Coast Highway and in a rage and glory. Nothing like that ever happened. You know once crashed a moped when I was 17 that had nothing to do with it. It really did. We were we were at the restaurant in L.A. and it was like a in a freaking school right. No no no in Beverly Hills it was just like a regular restaurant cake. It was the going of where we go who we were with Josh Josh and Mike you know an agent an agent or something. Yes. So we kind of I do not eat those they're only going out with Agent. We get to people who want to drink beer and talk baseball. You know what I don't miss it speaks they don't miss it at all. No I mean that restaurant is the epitome of L.A. It's not that great it's overpriced and celebrity isn't enough to buy those. Yeah but we walked in and I know it was a last minute because I think I even suggested I know the neighborhood. You know I live there but we went in there for dinner. By the time we came out there were like five or six guys with posters. You know and in T-shirts for you guys you and josh to sign. And I didn't know where we were like. And it was like early it was 10 years ago so you know on Twitter it was Twitter had been ridiculous. No it wasn't anything nothing to do with the Internet. I mean we're barely using cell phone. I don't know how it happened and it wasn't like the movie just came out right now and people are going back almost 11 years. You know the last time it was on news guys I think Josh did a lot of songs you knew they're going to sell it but if you think about it I hope those guys sold that shit right over there. That's a little on my I'm. The beanie babies you will try to hold on to them for 20 years. So getting up and nominating convention I'm going to try and sell a shirt that I wore the little bag that I had and everything. Kidman with that kick you're going to get you back in the form of more material. Yes. Well let's start with the hat. This is something that I don't think anyone's ever heard. We have let's talk about the half use first of all I have no idea who it was but I would say no no no bullshit. I agree with that. It went from person to person. But when would I have swiped that. I don't know because it did disappear. So in college there was this hat which in retrospect not a great looking had to be made out of like thermal underwear material green GREENE Right. And we're Yeah. With that like a speedway loose on the farm some kind of a some kind of a logo of almost like a roadrunner like Rover here. Yeah. And it is a company I don't know. And so that I would go around because somebody would like pass out drunk or leave it in on a table and then somebody else would take it and then you should have lost my hat forever. And then the guy with another guy would walk in with your hat. And when it went on like that for a few years like two three years. And you know he's decided not to come back the next check it isn't a bad look at that because everybody wanted it with a cool hat and back in the day. If I were they were like that more now than we did back then. Yes. And we are way ahead of the curve. One good excuse to tell the kids that were flannel and a ridiculous hat. But it went around and the hat in my hand at one point Jimi had it. Jimmy found out that it was gone. And then you and I we're doing a play in New York. We're both playing Jews. Yeah. All right. One of us figured it out. Well when the play was Solomon salomé man that was a lot of fun. And you told me that you had you were that in some ridiculous movie. Yes. And I just said you right after the movie I had a lot. You were in the rehearsal just to fuck with me. And then like two years after college and and then you said you were in this movie and I said wouldn't it be great if this movie became a huge hit. And Johnny in Amsterdam who moved the big Johnny Love moved to Amsterdam if he saw the hat and you're like no one will ever see this movie. Don't worry about it. But you know that you know after the movie give me a huge hit Johnny is walking home from work in Amsterdam and he's like oh that's the movie Mike. He walks in. He sits down the movie starts. He stands up he's a huge American guy and as their meals. That's not my hat. So actually he's had all these years I thought it was you are now. Everyone's claimed it. You know it was. But it was your I mean you actually purchased it. No I don't know where it came from. Let me be honest. But but it was definitely years. I would think right. It was not a member like I did. I have vivid memories of Joe we were in that mode where we had all of market would have gotten taken up his and things just showing that that was always the way it was. So you showed off to me that you had the hat you wore in this movie. Then what happened to the hat the mystery of the hat is just that the movie is over I have the bag. I have the flannel. I've got everything. I'm not thinking about saving any of this stuff because nothing's going to happen with this movie. What I'm thinking and I have no idea what ever became. And the problem that became of the hat was that when the movie comes out and hit all the theaters the company that designed the logo for that hat starts to sue taxand and films for letting me wear that. So hats and films called me in two years. We shot the movie in 1999. When we come back three months after it comes out they call me. OK Mike we need to have a mike. I don't know I that had Marilyn. I couldn't I have never seen that happen. You guys got to have that. So that hat really disappears. I think it's somewhere in the woods of Maryland which running around with that. Isn't Andy on. And then this is maybe a spoiler in the movie but they're going to reissue the ending with you. But they couldn't because they couldn't match it because they didn't need the pain. They had to they had to try and attend to matching what they did what they need if they recreated the hat but they just they got rid of that logo on the hat and they took that logo off and they were the happy movie but it showed up a couple of times and I think they wanted to try and replace the scene altogether. I think ultimately they just gave them some money and said Sorry we use your logo. And then they try to reshoot the ending which didn't work. Anyway back with another artist doing another angle to look down on Marilyn and me. They set up literally a crucifix of the famous stick man ginormous one and they stood in the corner of the basement and they had me crucified on the floor with stickpin with blood all over me. That was one very very I mean we shot it was ridiculous. It's funny. We laughed the whole way through. And then they had one where I was levitating in the corner you know floating but people said it looked like I was pointing me with ridiculous stuff. We went down and you know they painted a bunch of money and got them all weekend and e-mails and text and they tell to a group of people that maybe it was often some still some of my best friends and just great guy you know. In fact I'll give a little plug. I just finished up a phone call lovely Molly that's very well the Toronto International Film Festival and I'm sure it's going to be huge and I'm psyched for it. Sanchez who directed at Grant Hill and Robin Cowden produced it took a good bunch of people. You know you did another movie with them a couple of years ago right an Alien movie. I know I was pretty fortunate because I really enjoyed work and pensions and Dan Myrick team co-directors and the first and Sanchez the movie after Blair witch he did in the film called altered which was of a reverse alien abduction film. You can check out on Netflix or whatever but that was a great one. I loved doing that and I played a redneck game Otis. So I worked to talk more telling them Dan Myrick hired me to work on one film called The object when we shot that out in Morocco again. Netflix that. That's pretty cool. That was supernatural weird stuff on the war in Afghanistan. The special forces soldier named him. Do you kid. I mean you kids are young the six and but I have seen the movie and they know about this previous life. They do know Rapidan obviously haven't seen the movie and probably won't for quite awhile. Every other word Vietnam that they see me on like that. You know I continued to act professionally until they were really into a couple of years and the last thing I did was an episode of you and they saw me on that and they were like I pretty we're like daddy on TV. I will meet them. Then you are an actor but they didn't really know what it meant in the grand scheme of things. Basically all it meant was that we were poor and we needed food. Ms masters Hey Mike thanks for doing this. You've got it man. Good to talk about the No. That's for sure. Yeah. So people can go see you in December and it was the name of the dimensioning monster max. Google Monster Mash web but it's Indianapolis in the middle of December. Come out. Come one come all. Josh has it will be there and I hope you can make it out. Great. Thanks man. I'll give you call it on my. Face. Here is one thing you you talk about proudly presents. Every Monday we have a new feature called Three of the week three podcasts new suggestions for someone to try out for the week. That's all fired up to do like also of your podcast or go to our website. There's a little box on the side says independent podcast alliance. Click on it brings you right back next week. Nick and I are going to challenge you to challenge each other. Who has the worst tv America or Britain. She's picked the top 5 worst shows in Britain of the last few years. And I've picked my top five of Americans. You say so come vote on your favorite. We're going to talk about worst. Movies ever. And you can see their trailer for the movie on our website dot com. Watch the trailer. You'll understand exactly why this film is so great. This is. Probably resentful Madame Spiegelman prowlers and stuck in Hollywood the opening weekend of any movie is the most important. Luckily for our guest he lives in Denver. His latest film was made a whopping $11 in his opening weekend. Maybe it was the title which was the worst movie ever. Well he's live to tell us about it. Welcome director Professor motivational speaker. Glenn barrettes Thanks for doing the show. Oh you're welcome Adam I appreciate you having me on. The movie is the worst movie ever. Is the inspiration. Well for years I've you know I'm an avid film watcher. And for years I've noticed films where you know something would happen whether it's a line of dialogue or a character or a plot twist and I'd see it and say to myself my gosh if there was ever a film made called the worst movie ever that piece of dialogue and character would fit perfectly in it and in the summer of 2010 I get to sweat late July early August somewhere in there. I was watching a film and I said that lying to myself again I thought you know I said that line so many times I'm going to see if I can make the worst movie ever put in as much awful dialogue as many bad plot twist and you moronic characters as I possibly can. You and another guy about your age with a huge mustache play teenagers. Oh yeah. Children while you know that was part of the worst movie ever with bad casting and I was forty three at the time when we shot playing a teenager and Stuart Goldsborough played my teenage body in the film and Stewie was I believe 63 or 64 at the time of the shooting. So yeah we were a couple guys playing teams with a combined age well over 100 years. Part of it was you know just the bad casting aspect of making a bad film. What is the plot if you can say there is one. I guess if you have to give it a plot it's Baltar the robot alien comes down to earth starts wreaking havoc and this crew of people band together to try to stop Baltar. You know we actually shot all the outside scenes on a Saturday outside of Eileen Barker's House. Eileen plays Dooley in the film. And then the next day we shot all the inside scenes that Jonathan Jorgensen's house and he played Santa Claus in the film. So yes very much limited locations and they were shot very quickly with that. Santa Claus is kind of like the Greek chorus of the moon. This kind is giving it too much credit. Oh you're giving me way too much credit for the most part you know. You know I pictured people saying you know everyone's at various points the screaming out now when something bad happens. And then I thought well gee maybe we could have you know someone off the wall scream out no out of the blue. I thought Santa Claus. Right well wait a second we have Santa Claus always says ho ho ho so we get out Santa Claus. No no no. And so he just kind of popped into my head there was nothing Greek or Shakespearean or anything about it. It was just what I thought would be a nice Bad Touch to the film. Now did you just yell. No but you looked up. No matter what. And you're crazy to look at. But then everyone just looked up and yelled no further. Way too long. Oh yeah. In that scene I think you're referencing. Yeah they're supposed to be working up on supposedly seeing a spaceship that Baltar came down was shot down from onto Earth. And yes this spaceship floating in the sky just tells everyone with such dread they have to scream out. Now you also you cast two kids adult roles. I love the kid he's got a sister of like high C or something you. With kool aid. We had form. Was that an issue because there's a whole subplot of him getting her pregnant. Was that just the ridiculous moment Did anyone care about that. Yes because actually Eileen Barker in the film I knew she had a son who had helped us out in a sketch that we shot for a sketch comedy show pilot which is currently being edited. And so I said dryly and said oh you know. And then she would be interested you know or would you mind playing this role and Eileen read the role and she thought you know this might be a little too risque for him because he would think nine at the time. And so I had to look around for someone and Hayden who played the 14 year old cougar in the film she suggested Bryce. Bryce Foster ended up playing the role and Bryce has this really angelic look he just looks like you know such a young fresh face lad but he was actually 13 at the time we shot and he had this look that made him look even younger. And so him being 13 he and his you know his parents had no problem with them you know talking about pregnancies and condoms and things like that. So yeah there was a little bit of an issue but we just kept a little older character to play the 10 year old. It works perfectly. It's really bizarre and funny. I sometimes I would laugh at a scene because you did something ridiculous but it's because you intentionally did it because it's the worst movie ever. I mean were you afraid of losing the humor and the fact that you're doing it intentionally making this mistake. Yeah. That was in a way the film was very liberating because hey you were making the worst movie ever if we botch a line or something. Don't worry about it. The other side of that coin though was that we're calling this the worst movie ever. So it better be so bloody awful it's funny. And so there was a certain amount of pressure like you know is this just dumb or is this damend funny at the same time. And so yeah times there was a little bit of angst and worry like you know is this pulling this off or are we going what are you taking what we're going for here like actually making it so that it's humorous or is this just bad but for the most part you know we just went with our gut instinct if it seemed like it was work and we went with it. You know cast and crew members would suggest things here and there and if for the most part it seems like we pulled it off pretty well. It was a very funny movie. It got distribution. It was his first movie that got distribution. My previous film that by had a distribution deal for it to die is hard. And we've got that to a couple of theaters here in the U.S. And unfortunately the distribution company had just gone out of business by a month and a half ago or so. I have the write back to that so I've had a couple of distribution companies asked to see it and I'm waiting to see if they want to take it on for distribution. So the worst movie is our second film we've gotten a deal for and gotten it out there to a few people. Well a few I mean the opening the way I found it were those looking to box office mojo and I'm way bottom was at 11. How is that even possible $11. Now what happened was I happened to be in the Midwest ending film festival that the worst movie ever was in in Van Wert Ohio. And we had a screening for today is hard in Fort Wayne Indiana. One of the theaters that showed it and I got word from the sunset five out in L.A. that they wanted to show the film as a midnight movie on the upcoming Friday and Saturday nights. And this was on a Sunday and it was late on Sunday I got the e-mail. I was going to be traveling all day Monday getting back to Denver. So Louisville really started letting people know it was going to scream on Tuesday just three days before it was hitting the theater. And so I know I know a couple of people out in L.A. basically former cast members who had been here in Denver when I worked with them and moved out there. And so I sent them e-mails and the one guy was out of town the other guy was on a film shoot and I thought well you know it's a lie you know people put it up on the marquee and people say What the heck is that. So you know a hundred people walk in each night anyway will be huge. But enough to get us going. And I thought well let's see with my half of the box office take I might make a couple thousand dollars here. Well what ended up happening was because I didn't have time to do any advertising and the theater didn't have any time to do any advertising. And I found out they ended up since it was just showing at midnight each night they didn't worry about putting it on the marquee either. That's what the first night no one showed up on the second night one person happened to walk in I guess just looking for something to do and plopped his $11 down and went in to watch it. So that's how we managed to get one person in our opening weekend. They specifically if you put up a movie on a screen and there two nights in a row and midnight one guy will show up. That's what the mathematics will tell us anyway. Great news the one guy who's out at midnight. Did he cause a crime and he just needed an alibi. We know. We've tried to track down we put out some feelers to try to find out who that person was. We checked with the sunset five and a couple of people who were working that night say it wasn't one of our regulars anyone they recognized and of course you know they weren't even thinking to make a mental note and the person going in. So we have no idea who it is. A couple people right after the incident a few things popped up on the Internet. Who was the one person who was there and we see four or five e-mails from people saying I was on there and things like that. But you know they had no proof to back it up so to this day we're still wondering who that one viewer was who got a soft to our terrific start. Well if you're out there let us know if you have the golden and only ticket. No. Are they going to do another screening on here they're going to give you a do over loud buffet here. We're trying to pick up some momentum you know with the film in other parts of the country. You know we've had a couple of screenings in Virginia and the turnouts haven't been great but the general manager of the place said those who have had it's such a great time that they're going to show us again after the first of the year. And we have we've had a screening here in Denver with another one coming up because they were happy with the turnout again it wasn't great but it was a Monday night. And he said they got in more people than they normally do on a Monday night. So they're showing up next Saturday. We're getting shown tomorrow night in Scotland. So we're making our European debut and then hopefully you know we just keep getting a few more fans here and there get the ball rolling. Because I know when I spoke with the people at the fans at 5:00 and ally they said when they first started showing the room there were plenty of screenings or only two or three or four people but you know they kept showing it and the crowd eventually started growing so you know we just figure if we pick out a couple of fans every day one way or another we'll get there eventually. We would love to do a screening out here in L.A. So we'll try to make that happen. That would be great. How can people see the movie now. They want to see it after hearing our interview you know we set up a Web site where the dash movie dot com. And you can download it for $5. As always you have a paypal account. So that's one way you can see it if you want to DTD. I actually do some speaking engagements I have a Web site Glenn Spizz dot com where people can go and buy DVDs of any of our films because we've done some other feature films that we haven't gotten distribution deals for that are decent enough films so they can go to those web site or to that Web site and get those films if you download it it's five bucks to buy a DVD is $10. I believe it is. You speak a lot about making movies Rahner 200000. Is that for under two thousand two hundred thousand. Is that possible. Well like what the worst movie ever. I spent a thousand seventy five dollars to make it. You know I have found as an independent filmmaker I've been making films for five years now that I went with the crew with the worst movie ever was basically the director of photography Eric lassy he had the camera out and then John Miller held the boom microphone and that was our crew. And you know pay them I mean the people around here are so great. I've worked with most of them over and over. I basically pay them gas money so they can get to and from the show give them you know 40 bucks or so and provide them with a little bit of food that I get at a dollar store to keep the cost down. And yeah the cast members again you know give them 40 bucks or so for gas money. I always make sure I spend a lot of time scheduling a shoot so no one has to be on shoot all day other than a couple of cast and crew members. And so yeah people don't mind you know coming out for one or two days for four hours shoot their scenes and get on their way and like that hopefully something good happens with the film because we don't know. I've talked to some independent other independent filmmakers and you know the one guy said Well we typically get every shot we shoot it anywhere from 20 to 25 times make sure we have coverage. And of course that's going to take a lot of time and make your shoot go longer and people need more food and you have to pay them more to come on sat and watched the WORST MOVIE EVER. I don't know. Probably a quarter of the scenes we shot once and you know I would turn to Eric the director of photography Eric how I looked at the camera. They looked pretty good so I won't look good to my naked eye. Let's move on to the next scene. And that helps keep costs down as well. So thank you so much though you to check out your Web site. Glenn speakes and worst dash movie dot.com. And what is it like being the only Jew in Denver. Actually I'm not Jewish. I think I have a little maybe a little bit back in there somewhere. Yes I wouldn't be the only one. I'm a professor also. I've had plenty of Jewish students in my classes. I'm sure wouldn't be a big deal. So your name is like wow it's him. He's the one. And I hope I didn't disappoint you too much with that. Again I'm not going there now. Thank you very much. And hopefully we'll do an L.A. screening of your movie. Anything to set up I'd be happy go out there and people on how you got to on. Thanks so much Adam and have a good day. Thank you. Adam